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		<title>Comment on Aviation CO2 Emissions 2%. Shipping CO2 Emissions 4%. by loveservices</title>
		<link>http://benlovegrove.com/2009/09/09/avation-co2-emissions-2-percent-shipping-4-percent/#comment-94</link>
		<dc:creator>loveservices</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Feb 2010 12:02:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;&quot;So whilst there might be a vast amount of shipping out there, it is at least a pretty efficient means of transportation.&quot;&lt;/em&gt;

But that&#039;s just the point.  There&#039;s &lt;em&gt;so much&lt;/em&gt; shipping that the amount of CO2 pumped into the atmosphere is nearly twice that of aviation, worldwide, despite the fact that shipping might seem more efficient.

&lt;em&gt;&quot;Flying, on the other hand, is essentially frivolous...&quot;&lt;/em&gt;

I think there&#039;s plenty of business people who would argue that their physical presence in other countries is what keeps trade going, secures new business and otherwise adds to economic growth and keeps people employed.  There&#039;s only so much you can do with video conferencing.

Similarly, why should holidaymakers, travellers, musicians or anyone visiting friends and family abroad curtail their flying when there&#039;s plenty of other ways of reducing CO2 emissions?

Besides, what is cruising on the latest 5,000 passenger cruise ship then if not the frivolous leisure activity of those who can afford it?  

Aviation accounts for so little of the CO2 output compared to other sources that the energy and money invested in campaigns against it would be better spent elsewhere.

For example, instead of protesting outside airports against aviation, campaign vociferously outside Parliament for more high speed rail links to Europe, and the renewal of old and improvement of existing rail links to get more cars, coaches and lorries off the road.

Aviation receives a disproportionate amount of protest considering it&#039;s supposed contribution to global warming, and they&#039;d enlist more support putting positive suggestions forward rather being a rent a mob outside an airfield.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>&#8220;So whilst there might be a vast amount of shipping out there, it is at least a pretty efficient means of transportation.&#8221;</em></p>
<p>But that&#8217;s just the point.  There&#8217;s <em>so much</em> shipping that the amount of CO2 pumped into the atmosphere is nearly twice that of aviation, worldwide, despite the fact that shipping might seem more efficient.</p>
<p><em>&#8220;Flying, on the other hand, is essentially frivolous&#8230;&#8221;</em></p>
<p>I think there&#8217;s plenty of business people who would argue that their physical presence in other countries is what keeps trade going, secures new business and otherwise adds to economic growth and keeps people employed.  There&#8217;s only so much you can do with video conferencing.</p>
<p>Similarly, why should holidaymakers, travellers, musicians or anyone visiting friends and family abroad curtail their flying when there&#8217;s plenty of other ways of reducing CO2 emissions?</p>
<p>Besides, what is cruising on the latest 5,000 passenger cruise ship then if not the frivolous leisure activity of those who can afford it?  </p>
<p>Aviation accounts for so little of the CO2 output compared to other sources that the energy and money invested in campaigns against it would be better spent elsewhere.</p>
<p>For example, instead of protesting outside airports against aviation, campaign vociferously outside Parliament for more high speed rail links to Europe, and the renewal of old and improvement of existing rail links to get more cars, coaches and lorries off the road.</p>
<p>Aviation receives a disproportionate amount of protest considering it&#8217;s supposed contribution to global warming, and they&#8217;d enlist more support putting positive suggestions forward rather being a rent a mob outside an airfield.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Aviation CO2 Emissions 2%. Shipping CO2 Emissions 4%. by justposted</title>
		<link>http://benlovegrove.com/2009/09/09/avation-co2-emissions-2-percent-shipping-4-percent/#comment-93</link>
		<dc:creator>justposted</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Feb 2010 17:53:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a fairly old post, but is no. 2 on Google under &quot;aviation co2 emissions&quot;, so I am going to wade in ...

&quot;So why aren’t climate change protesters chaining themselves to cruise ships, or demonstrating outside dock expansion projects and shipyards?&quot;

Well, I think that is because shipping is about 20 times as carbon efficient as aviation over a given distance. So whilst there might be a vast amount of shipping out there, it is at least a pretty efficient means of transportation.

Flying, on the other hand, is essentially frivolous (in general), because it merely carries stuff faster. So it reflects an inefficient use of the world&#039;s resources in order to accelerate activities for the rich few, be they business travellers, holidaymakers or people who like fresh fish from the other side of the world. That is bound to drive a somewhat emotional response from the public, because it really feels like a direct, conscious choice by the minority that sticks two fingers up at the majority.

That is why, in my opinion, people take on aviation as a climate change issue. Tackling shipping becomes a far more open argument about the nature of capitalism and globalised markets, which is frankly unwinnable. Flying less is somewhat more achievable.

It is also worth noting that although aircraft are remarkably efficient considering what they do, they are still only as efficient (per passenger kilometre) as driving a fairly inefficient car. Improvements in efficiency do not seem to be coming too readily any more, either: http://www.theicct.org/information/reports/efficiency_trends_for_new_commercial_jet_aircraft_1960_to_2008</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a fairly old post, but is no. 2 on Google under &#8220;aviation co2 emissions&#8221;, so I am going to wade in &#8230;</p>
<p>&#8220;So why aren’t climate change protesters chaining themselves to cruise ships, or demonstrating outside dock expansion projects and shipyards?&#8221;</p>
<p>Well, I think that is because shipping is about 20 times as carbon efficient as aviation over a given distance. So whilst there might be a vast amount of shipping out there, it is at least a pretty efficient means of transportation.</p>
<p>Flying, on the other hand, is essentially frivolous (in general), because it merely carries stuff faster. So it reflects an inefficient use of the world&#8217;s resources in order to accelerate activities for the rich few, be they business travellers, holidaymakers or people who like fresh fish from the other side of the world. That is bound to drive a somewhat emotional response from the public, because it really feels like a direct, conscious choice by the minority that sticks two fingers up at the majority.</p>
<p>That is why, in my opinion, people take on aviation as a climate change issue. Tackling shipping becomes a far more open argument about the nature of capitalism and globalised markets, which is frankly unwinnable. Flying less is somewhat more achievable.</p>
<p>It is also worth noting that although aircraft are remarkably efficient considering what they do, they are still only as efficient (per passenger kilometre) as driving a fairly inefficient car. Improvements in efficiency do not seem to be coming too readily any more, either: <a href="http://www.theicct.org/information/reports/efficiency_trends_for_new_commercial_jet_aircraft_1960_to_2008" rel="nofollow">http://www.theicct.org/information/reports/efficiency_trends_for_new_commercial_jet_aircraft_1960_to_2008</a></p>
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		<title>Comment on Impressions of a Pilot by Gary Claude Stoker by Mal Cotton</title>
		<link>http://benlovegrove.com/2009/08/31/impressions-of-a-pilot-by-gary-claude-stoker/#comment-82</link>
		<dc:creator>Mal Cotton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Jan 2010 00:20:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Beautiful....to be able to describe so succinctly what it means to fly</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Beautiful&#8230;.to be able to describe so succinctly what it means to fly</p>
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		<title>Comment on Coincidence is God&#8217;s way of remaining anonymous by Bren Ferguson</title>
		<link>http://benlovegrove.com/2009/01/24/coincidence-is-gods-way-of-remaining-anonymous/#comment-77</link>
		<dc:creator>Bren Ferguson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 23:54:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;ll find the proof of the Hypothesis that Coincidences are God&#039;s way of directing our lives and that we feel them the closer we are to him by listening to the lyrics of the song &quot;Coincedences&quot; recently released in Italy in the new album &quot;Heart&quot; by Elisa. I believe  God was looking over her shoulder and guiding her hand as she wrote across the music page.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;ll find the proof of the Hypothesis that Coincidences are God&#8217;s way of directing our lives and that we feel them the closer we are to him by listening to the lyrics of the song &#8220;Coincedences&#8221; recently released in Italy in the new album &#8220;Heart&#8221; by Elisa. I believe  God was looking over her shoulder and guiding her hand as she wrote across the music page.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Is Anthropogenic Global Warming a myth?  Is it the biggest con of all time? by loveservices</title>
		<link>http://benlovegrove.com/2009/07/11/is-global-warming-a-myth-is-it-the-biggest-con-of-all-time/#comment-75</link>
		<dc:creator>loveservices</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Nov 2009 19:54:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This article in the Sunday Times today puts some of the points into perspective:

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/environment/article6936289.ece</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This article in the Sunday Times today puts some of the points into perspective:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/environment/article6936289.ece" rel="nofollow">http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/environment/article6936289.ece</a></p>
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		<title>Comment on Nuisance calls from 0800 389 6818 /  08003 896818 by Archie Sinclair</title>
		<link>http://benlovegrove.com/2008/10/31/nuisance-calls-from-0800-389-6818-08003-896818/#comment-74</link>
		<dc:creator>Archie Sinclair</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 18:29:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The 0800 0324617 number worked well and logged my phone no. automatically as a no. not to be called in future.

I hope.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The 0800 0324617 number worked well and logged my phone no. automatically as a no. not to be called in future.</p>
<p>I hope.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Nuisance calls from 0800 389 6818 /  08003 896818 by Natasha Barker</title>
		<link>http://benlovegrove.com/2008/10/31/nuisance-calls-from-0800-389-6818-08003-896818/#comment-70</link>
		<dc:creator>Natasha Barker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Nov 2009 15:40:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>YES! I keep getting them i&#039;m a student and it&#039;s driving me mad... I hate picking up my phone to odd numbers, your post helped me greatly!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>YES! I keep getting them i&#8217;m a student and it&#8217;s driving me mad&#8230; I hate picking up my phone to odd numbers, your post helped me greatly!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Charlie Brown, B-17 called &#8216;Ye Old Pub&#8217;, German pilot Franz Steigler by geoffrey nottage</title>
		<link>http://benlovegrove.com/2009/06/24/charlie-brown-b-17-called-ye-old-pub-german-pilot-franz-steigler/#comment-53</link>
		<dc:creator>geoffrey nottage</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Sep 2009 00:01:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Amongst all the death and madness, chivalry, honour and hope flickered. This small story, which had profound repercussions the the Brown family, is an example. One other, inexplicably, contains both this, and the senselessness. A 19 year old Lancaster pilot, an Australian by the name of Tom Danvers, returned from a raid on Berlin. Over England, within distant sight of Waddington and with his tail gunner chatting next to him, Tom banked slowly to port. Next minute, a roaring noise, and a Focke-Wulf 190 pulled alongside, flying almost wingtip-to-wingtip. Tom stared at the German pilot who had his goggles up, and his mask off. Seconds seemed like minutes. The pilot then smiles at Tom, saluted, then suddenly manoevered his aircraft and shot the Lanc down. Tom attempted a crash-landing in a field, the plane caught fire, and killed everyone but Tom. He was pretty badly burnt, and after a lengthy stay in hospital, was repatriated back to Sydney to restart his life. Over the years, at various functions, he would always perform the same ritual, told to me by one who experienced it. He would feel Tom&#039;s hand quietly grip his arm, and as he leaned in, Tom would whisper. &quot;I should have got those boys home. It&#039;s not right. I should have got them home&quot;. His eyes would be red with tears. I met Tom once, in 2004, and only saw his zest for life and the strength of his laughter. The pain is always hidden. He died 2 years ago, and one can only hope he is now at peace with those boys.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amongst all the death and madness, chivalry, honour and hope flickered. This small story, which had profound repercussions the the Brown family, is an example. One other, inexplicably, contains both this, and the senselessness. A 19 year old Lancaster pilot, an Australian by the name of Tom Danvers, returned from a raid on Berlin. Over England, within distant sight of Waddington and with his tail gunner chatting next to him, Tom banked slowly to port. Next minute, a roaring noise, and a Focke-Wulf 190 pulled alongside, flying almost wingtip-to-wingtip. Tom stared at the German pilot who had his goggles up, and his mask off. Seconds seemed like minutes. The pilot then smiles at Tom, saluted, then suddenly manoevered his aircraft and shot the Lanc down. Tom attempted a crash-landing in a field, the plane caught fire, and killed everyone but Tom. He was pretty badly burnt, and after a lengthy stay in hospital, was repatriated back to Sydney to restart his life. Over the years, at various functions, he would always perform the same ritual, told to me by one who experienced it. He would feel Tom&#8217;s hand quietly grip his arm, and as he leaned in, Tom would whisper. &#8220;I should have got those boys home. It&#8217;s not right. I should have got them home&#8221;. His eyes would be red with tears. I met Tom once, in 2004, and only saw his zest for life and the strength of his laughter. The pain is always hidden. He died 2 years ago, and one can only hope he is now at peace with those boys.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Online dating is like being a kid in a candy shop by barbados dating</title>
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		<dc:creator>barbados dating</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Aug 2009 00:48:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with you. In online dating you are free to have those who you like. There is less chances of being force.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with you. In online dating you are free to have those who you like. There is less chances of being force.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Coincidence is God&#8217;s way of remaining anonymous by Metaholic</title>
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		<dc:creator>Metaholic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 12:22:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I do not calim that a will of a singular consciousness is neccessary in this kind of belief system, rather that the universe is rich enough in inputs and possible paths as to go almost anywhere from anywhere. if you&#039;r looking for red boxes, you&#039;ll see them all around the city, if you&#039;r looking for a cute girl to meet you will also see doesens of them everyday.
It is the knowing that your preconceveied path is going to manifest and is already on it&#039;s way that gives you the ability to react to it.
Appreciation is the energy of creation, and if you seek you shall find.
:)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do not calim that a will of a singular consciousness is neccessary in this kind of belief system, rather that the universe is rich enough in inputs and possible paths as to go almost anywhere from anywhere. if you&#8217;r looking for red boxes, you&#8217;ll see them all around the city, if you&#8217;r looking for a cute girl to meet you will also see doesens of them everyday.<br />
It is the knowing that your preconceveied path is going to manifest and is already on it&#8217;s way that gives you the ability to react to it.<br />
Appreciation is the energy of creation, and if you seek you shall find.<br />
 <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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